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[20:07] <Mido> == begin logging == [20:07] <kibble> === #wikimania2008: CraigSpurrier Mido Arktic_ schiste kibble Markie996_ TheLetterE effeietsanders Warpath Wikilinker Angela al_tally Az1568 @ChanServ Danny_B Austin tcliou_ [20:08] <kibble> =-= Topic for #wikimania2008 is “Wikimania 2008 planning | Call for Participation out now! See [[CfP]] | Recent changes: #wikimania-rc | Next meeting: Sun, Feb 24, 20:00 UTC (general planning) | Agenda for todays meeting: http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planning/Meetings#February_24_2008”' [20:08] <Wikilinker> http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/CfP [20:08] <al_tally> hi Wikilinker [20:08] <Mido> Thanks kibble [20:08] <kibble> np [20:09] <Mido> we were supposed to start with international sponsorship [20:09] <Mido> but seems no one form the foundation office is present here and can give us updates [20:09] <Mido> I'll this to my task list [20:10] <Mido> now, scholarships [20:10] * White_Cat (i=EVA@wikimedia/White-Cat) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:10] <Mido> I think we should open application on 10 March, but first [20:10] <kibble> cary isn't here for that :-( [20:10] <Mido> who would help with the committee? [20:10] <White_Cat> hmm [20:11] <White_Cat> what is this treat by the anti mohamed image people? [20:11] * Olando (n=chatzill@wikipedia/Olando) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:11] <al_tally> what does cary do [20:11] <White_Cat> *threat [20:11] <effeietsanders> White_Cat: please follow agenda [20:11] <kibble> al_tally: he wanted to be on that committee, I think [20:11] <Mido> yes [20:11] <al_tally> ok [20:11] <Mido> and Tarawneh as well [20:11] <kibble> okay guys, Mido requested no fights and stick to the agenda :-) [20:11] <Mido> http://wikimaniateam.wikimedia.org/wiki/2007/Scholarships [20:11] <White_Cat> effeietsanders it isnt a part of the agenda [20:12] <Mido> this page would help them alot I think [20:12] <Mido> White_Cat: it is [20:12] <kibble> White_Cat: it would be helpful for one to read the agenda before they assumed they knew what was on it :-) [20:12] <White_Cat> I just saw it on the mailing list [20:12] <kibble> http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Planning/Meetings#Agenda but right now we're talking about scholarships [20:12] <Mido> so, anyone here wants to join the team? [20:13] <White_Cat> I suppose I am unwanted [20:13] <White_Cat> neways [20:13] * White_Cat (i=EVA@wikimedia/White-Cat) has left #wikimania2008 [20:13] <Mido> al_tally: [20:13] <effeietsanders> Mido: it would be great if phoebe and sj would be willing to join the team [20:13] * dracotheimpaler (i=chatzill@217.201.154.7) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:13] <Mido> yeah, I will send them invites, or Cary will do [20:14] <Mido> okay, no one :) [20:15] <kibble> hehe [20:15] <kibble> well, if we have sj, cary, mido, and phoebe [20:15] <kibble> that's quite a bit [20:15] * galwaygirl (n=galwaygi@galwaygirl.xs4all.nl) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:15] <effeietsanders> hey, galwaygirl :) [20:15] * Olando (n=chatzill@wikipedia/Olando) has left #wikimania2008 [20:15] <galwaygirl> ha effe! [20:15] <effeietsanders> kibble: would be good to have another name i guess [20:15] <kibble> yeah [20:15] <effeietsanders> a not-so-usual-victim one? [20:15] <Mido> I'm not sure I'll be helping with that all the time, I'll check with the local volunteers here [20:16] <kibble> austin maybe? ;-) [20:16] <Mido> Tarawneh as I said will be interested to help with this [20:16] <kibble> http://wikimaniateam.wikimedia.org/wiki/2008/Team/Committees#2008.2FScholarships [20:16] <kibble> the egyptian too, it seems [20:16] <Mido> let's call on the mailing list beside the minutes for this meeting [20:16] <effeietsanders> yeah [20:17] <effeietsanders> is there a time schedule already? [20:17] <al_tally> Mido: yes? [20:17] * Markie996_ is now known as Markie996 [20:17] <effeietsanders> as i thought to recall that the announcements should be earlier this year? [20:17] <Mido> scholarships should have started already [20:17] <Mido> yes, I see [20:17] <effeietsanders> last year people complained that it was all too late for cheap tickets [20:17] <Mido> got a bit late [20:18] <al_tally> well how late was it? [20:18] <Mido> we'll try to get the process itself done asap [20:18] * Ma7dy (n=chatzill@41.234.214.169) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:18] <effeietsanders> at least we should get the word out [20:18] <Mido> and I need more people for this [20:18] * VasilievVV (n=kvirc@wikimedia/VasilievVV) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:18] <Mido> along with the registeration [20:18] <effeietsanders> make announcements that the scholarship will be available [20:19] <effeietsanders> and how to submit requests [20:19] <Mido> but we need to set up the page to apply [20:19] <kibble> and then after we get submissions, we need to get sponsorships [20:19] <Mido> yes, last time there was an automated page, right? [20:19] <kibble> so we can actually get the money ;-) [20:19] <al_tally> yeah [20:20] <effeietsanders> money might be useful [20:20] <Mido> lol [20:20] <kibble> :-P [20:20] <Mido> keep that notice for the website page, will come later in the meeting [20:21] <Mido> moving to the next point [20:21] * Markie996 appologies to all [20:21] <Markie996> for being late [20:21] <effeietsanders> sssh, nobody noticed [20:22] <Markie996> heheh sorry all [20:22] <Ma7dy> :) [20:22] <Mido> advertisements, I like the distribution page made for CFP, we need to layout a campaign for the conference registration as well [20:22] <effeietsanders> Mido: you mean with distribution? [20:23] <Mido> including press releases, famous wikipedian bloggers, mailing lists of course, etc.. [20:23] <effeietsanders> sitenotices? [20:23] <Mido> yes, things like this [20:23] <kibble> effeietsanders: I was just going to suggest that ;-) [20:23] <kibble> global sitenotice if we could [20:23] <kibble> perhaps like we did for the fundraiser, that worked well [20:23] <kibble> and then they could be translated [20:23] <al_tally> was a global notice done last year? [20:23] <kibble> I think so [20:23] <effeietsanders> kibble: translation should happen then in time [20:23] <Mido> yes, for early birds afaik [20:23] <effeietsanders> no, global notice did not exist yet [20:24] <Mido> but we need more attractive one [20:24] <kibble> effeietsanders: the global notice feature has always existed [20:24] <Markie996> we can bug brion and the techs again to get a global sitenotice up [20:24] <kibble> well not always, but it has for a while :-) [20:24] <Mido> and text to talk about this year's concept and goal [20:24] <Markie996> but as i said in the email we need to get a nice spangly page up :-) [20:24] <kibble> Mido: we could also use some of the graphics teams buttons [20:25] <Markie996> kibble: yeah, miranda made some we could use [20:25] <Markie996> but i think we need to look at the comments about the fundraiser notice [20:25] <Mido> yes, a proposal by a volunteer will be made tomorrow or after, for a whole theme, spirit in the buttons, logos, banners, etc [20:25] * Markie996 cant remeber where that is [20:25] <Mido> what we need more is the page linking from this [20:26] <kibble> Markie996: what do you mean? [20:26] <Mido> for messaging of the conference this year [20:26] <Markie996> there were comments about the fundrasier notice being this and that, and too much of this [20:26] * _sj_ (n=sj_@wikipedia/sj) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:26] <kibble> Markie996: see [[m:Talk:Fundraising 2007]] [20:26] <Wikilinker> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2007 [20:26] * kibble huggles _sj_ [20:26] <Markie996> so to make ours nice we should look at these comments, and remove the bits that wernet liked [20:27] <Markie996> kibble: yeah that :-) [20:27] <kibble> :-) [20:27] <kibble> and the links on top [20:27] <Mido> so, anyone to research on that one? [20:27] * _sj_ has been kibbled [20:27] <kibble> :-D [20:28] <Mido> the title of the conference this year would be: [20:28] <Mido> Wikimania 2008: "Change the shape of wisdom" [20:29] <Mido> with a tagline that says: [20:29] <Mido> "Contribute, Communicate, Collaborate" [20:29] <effeietsanders> Mido: cool! [20:29] <Mido> that would be heavily used in text around the website, banners, and if possible global sitenotices [20:30] <Mido> to end this point, who will do the researching on sitenotice, kibble? [20:30] <kibble> sure [20:32] <effeietsanders> kibble: get britty involved too [20:32] <effeietsanders> for the translations [20:32] <kibble> yep [20:32] <effeietsanders> or someone else from transcom [20:32] <effeietsanders> translations should be prepared weeks before i assume [20:32] <effeietsanders> (preferably) [20:32] * kibble nods [20:32] <effeietsanders> especially russian ;-) [20:33] * dungodung (n=felix@wikipedia/dungodung) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:33] <Mido> now, we need a team too for advertising as I said, will be responsible for setting out dates for announcements, ideas of promotions, etc.. [20:33] * Angela (n=Angela@wikia/Angela) Quit ("restarting"�) [20:34] <Mido> we need to be 'marketing' the conference, and that needs study as I see it [20:34] <Mido> and set points to focus on, in the main page of the site, in the cfp, in the registration package, etc.. [20:35] <Mido> anyone got what I mean here? [20:35] * kibble brb [20:35] <Markie996> mido: stick me and kibble down for it :-p it seems to be what were doing atm [20:35] <kibble> :-D [20:36] <Markie996> heheh,like the way i did that :-p [20:36] <Mido> cool, you can work on the private teamwiki (I prefer that actually) [20:36] * Markie996 and kibble already do :-) [20:37] <Mido> and I will assign a team for local and Arab media [20:37] * Ma7dy (n=chatzill@41.234.214.169) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)�) [20:37] <Markie996> okay [20:38] * Ma7dy (n=chatzill@41.234.214.169) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:38] <Mido> until next meeting (next week) we should hear about some progress :) [20:39] <Markie996> you mean you actually want me to do something!!>?!?! :-p [20:39] <Mido> I suppose so :P [20:39] <effeietsanders> YES! [20:39] * Markie996 is to busy sending emails :-p [20:39] <Markie996> seriously though, yeah will do [20:39] * Angela (n=Angela@wikia/Angela) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:40] <Mido> this will include our website as well [20:40] <Mido> the front page needs to be updated, a lot [20:40] <Markie996> err okay, will update then, with the new tagline etc [20:40] <Mido> we need a layout for what dif kind of visitors would see [20:40] <Mido> not only that [20:41] <Markie996> im sure we can manage to rustle up something :-p [20:41] <Mido> something attractive [20:41] <effeietsanders> maybe move the volunteers links to a portal or so [20:41] <kibble> I tried to add teh tagline [20:41] <kibble> doesn't seem tohave worked [20:41] <effeietsanders> and keep the main page for visitors [20:41] <Markie996> kibble: did you break it :-p [20:41] <Mido> yeah, I would suggest that too [20:41] <kibble> Markie996: http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Tagline [20:41] <Mido> but mayebe keep the meeting section only [20:42] * ashraf (n=chatzill@41.196.234.245) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:42] * Ma7dy (n=chatzill@41.234.214.169) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)�) [20:42] <Mido> hello Ashraf [20:42] <ashraf> helloo mido [20:43] <ashraf> how r u? [20:43] * Ma7dy (n=chatzill@41.234.214.169) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:43] <Markie996> kibble: caching?? [20:43] <Mido> so, think about the main page needed info [20:43] <kibble> Markie996: does it show right for you? [20:43] <Markie996> no [20:43] <Markie996> its in the right place etc, so leave it and see if it surfaces [20:43] <Mido> registration line, scholarship application date [20:43] <Markie996> it may be a .css thing [20:44] <Mido> sponsors [20:44] <Markie996> but im not too sure [20:44] <Markie996> Mido: okay we can do that :-) [20:44] <Markie996> me and kibble will get together at somepoint, and you can always leave us messages :-) [20:44] <Markie996> and/or abuse us :-p [20:44] <kibble> O_O [20:44] <Mido> that would be fine, and I'd like a section like "how it was like in the past year" [20:45] <Markie996> do you mean quotes?? [20:45] <Markie996> cause /me knows a nice nifty trick to rotate quotes :-) [20:45] <Mido> including images, links, comments from attendees [20:45] <Mido> that would be cool [20:45] <Markie996> that we can do :-) [20:45] <Mido> and we need a nifty trick too, to add a countdown timer [20:45] <kibble> ooh [20:45] <kibble> that would be easy, probably [20:46] <Mido> magic words and templates ;) [20:46] * kibble goes to read up on ParserFunctions [20:46] <Mido> yeah, ashraf you suggested that yesterday, right/ [20:46] * Markie996 has looked at doing a countdown timer before, just gave up at some point :-( [20:46] <ashraf> sorry mido ? [20:46] <Mido> well, I can do one updates on each purge, by minute maybe [20:47] <Mido> the countdown, when we were talking yesterday [20:47] <ashraf> ahaaa [20:47] <ashraf> yes it was a nice idea [20:47] <ashraf> and i hope we can see that [20:48] <Mido> Tarawaneh is a templates expert in fact, did excellent work on ar.wiki [20:48] <Mido> I will ask him for this [20:48] * Nasir-AL-Mutairi (n=5005@217.69.189.1) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:48] <ashraf> good [20:48] <ashraf> what about the registration page? [20:49] <Mido> I was just about to say so :) [20:49] <Mido> you will work on this one, with me [20:49] <Az1568> kibble: You;ll need to add this http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Az1568/monobook.css to Common.css to enable the tagline :) [20:49] * kibble huggles Az1568 [20:49] <Mido> You have access to the private wiki, so I'll set up the page for us and being working on it, tonight after the meeting [20:50] <effeietsanders> Mido: will you have an arab version of the registration page as well? [20:50] <Az1568> kibble: er make that MediaWiki:Monobook.css ;) [20:50] <ashraf> ok [20:50] <kibble> Az1568: it won't work with common? [20:50] <Mido> yes [20:50] * Nasir-AL-Mutairi (n=5005@217.69.189.1) Quit ("Leaving"�) [20:50] <kibble> it works :-) [20:51] <Az1568> i haven't tried but i guess...it's just what i saw on enwiki :) [20:51] <kibble> Mido: http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=purge :-D [20:51] <Az1568> yay! [20:51] * effeietsanders proposes to keep the technical details for after the meeting ;-) [20:51] <kibble> but we're on a roll, effeietsanders ;-) [20:52] <kibble> Mido: wha'ts on agenda next? or right now? [20:52] <effeietsanders> we've been through all website pages? [20:53] <Mido> eia, will you join them for this task? [20:53] <Mido> we need to make the browsing system for local Info [20:53] <effeietsanders> Mido: i'd love to, but I doubt I have the time for it [20:53] <effeietsanders> nor the technical knowledge [20:54] <Mido> okay [20:54] <Mido> but I actually feel 2 will be too little to handle this, or you 2 feel good about that/ [20:55] <Mido> you can call for more volunteers, through wikimania-l [20:55] <effeietsanders> Mido: I am confident they can ask for help on specific topics :) [20:55] <effeietsanders> if they need testing, enough people lurking around at least [20:55] * Mitchell (n=Greeves@wikimedia/Greeves) has joined #wikimania2008 [20:56] <Mido> meno25 is a hard-worker, and he has a bot running on the website, you can ask him for help if you want [20:57] <Mido> the local info itself will be ready, but as I said, we need the browsing system, sth like last year tabs system [20:57] <effeietsanders> Mido: if you want the website to work as well in arab, an arab speaking volunteer might be useful yes :) [20:57] <Mido> meno25 is from Alexandria [20:58] <effeietsanders> nod [20:58] * TheLetterE returns [20:58] <Arktic_> and he can do translation [20:58] <Mido> the system here lagged a bit, I might have missed sth [20:58] <kibble> Mido: http://wikimania2008.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Countdown [20:58] <Mido> yes, plus many others from ar.wiki [20:59] <Markie996> kibble: niiiiice [20:59] <kibble> lol [20:59] * Markie996 high fives kibble [20:59] * kibble wants to see if Roan can get it to include time [20:59] <kibble> Markie996: I didn't make it :-P [20:59] <Markie996> ehhheh i dont make half the stuff i use [20:59] <Markie996> people still think its me [20:59] <Mido> kibble: yes, with current date included and the target [20:59] <kibble> hehe [21:00] <kibble> Mido: hmm? [21:00] <Mido> I'll bug Tarawneh for this [21:00] <Mido> any more comments about the website? [21:01] <effeietsanders> i like the layout in general [21:02] <Mido> main page? [21:03] * VasilievVV (n=kvirc@wikimedia/VasilievVV) Quit ("Gotta go"�) [21:03] <Mido> moving on the next point (per demand) [21:03] <kibble> I don't think anyone's herew ho wanted that anyway [21:04] * CraigSpurrier is now known as CraigSpurrier_aw [21:04] <Mido> we can skip that one [21:04] <kibble> :-) [21:04] <effeietsanders> well, we can bring it up :) [21:04] <Markie996> nah dragonfire aint here [21:04] <Markie996> but he is online, so quickly move on :-p [21:05] <effeietsanders> is there anything special going to happen with it? [21:05] <Mido> well, I have to say to say we're shocked by the way people are dealing with this point [21:05] <effeietsanders> of course [21:06] <effeietsanders> and i totally agree with the shock :S [21:06] * kibble wonders if he can have a quick translation of "Wikimania 2008 Alexandria :: Change the shape of wisdom" [21:06] * kibble agrees [21:06] <kibble> rudeness :'( [21:06] <effeietsanders> but at the same time there is a valid point deeply hidden there [21:06] <effeietsanders> which might also count for other places btw [21:06] <effeietsanders> which s mainly what-if-things-go-wrong [21:07] <Mido> Prime minister and Minister of Communications are already aware of the conference and supporting it [21:07] <effeietsanders> would it for instance be useful to have someone write a short explanation for the visitors about the do's and don'ts? [21:08] <effeietsanders> (always advisable in every culture maybe) [21:08] <Mido> I don't expect any kind of harassments from the gov side [21:08] <Mido> yes, in every culture, and every has something dif. than the other [21:08] <effeietsanders> ie don't go with shoes into a mosq [21:08] <effeietsanders> maybe kinda obvious for you, but might not be for visitors :) [21:09] <Mido> I see :) [21:09] <Mido> that was to be done anyway [21:09] * marymurrell (n=chatzill@75-25-142-26.lightspeed.okldca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #wikimania2008 [21:09] <effeietsanders> things that could non-intentionally offend local people [21:09] <effeietsanders> ok [21:09] <effeietsanders> great [21:09] <effeietsanders> :) [21:09] <Mido> regarding security, many tourists go around Alexandria freely [21:10] <Mido> ride buses, sit on normal cafes (local ones, not starbucks for example) [21:10] <effeietsanders> and i heard there is a lot of police in the public area's? [21:11] <Mido> no, not really [21:11] <Mido> you'll find around important places [21:11] <Ma7dy> police accompany toursits' buses where ever they go [21:11] <Mido> like BA plaza, 4-5 police men visible [21:11] <Mido> yes [21:11] <effeietsanders> heh, that is a lot to me ;-) [21:12] <Ma7dy> different cultures [21:12] <Mido> it will be during the trips and so, you won't notice much [21:12] <effeietsanders> is there security in the library btw? [21:13] <Ma7dy> ofcourse [21:13] <Mido> in a different accompanying car of course [21:13] <Mido> sure, [21:13] <effeietsanders> ok, expected that already :) [21:13] * ashraf (n=chatzill@41.196.234.245) Quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.80 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]"�) [21:13] * effeietsanders doesn't really see much more that can be done... [21:13] <effeietsanders> well, realistically of course [21:15] <Mido> we will try to make people as assured as possible about this [21:16] <Mido> what we're left with now is the open discussion, anyone have any comments? [21:16] <effeietsanders> well, the call for participation is out again [21:16] <effeietsanders> i'd like the local people to spread the word also locally [21:16] <effeietsanders> maybe open source communities in the ME world [21:16] <effeietsanders> things like that [21:16] <effeietsanders> if not done yet [21:17] <effeietsanders> please add whatever you send it to to the distribution list [21:17] <Markie996> ahh yeah /me needs to do that [21:17] <Mido> okay, will do [21:17] <Markie996> sent a few more [21:17] <kibble> Mido: "Wikimania 2008 Alexandria :: Change the shape of wisdom" in Arabic? /me wants to test the translations fo the tagline [21:18] <Mido> Ma7dy: آفاق جديدة للتنوير or سبيل جديد للمعرفة ؟ [21:18] <Arktic_> can you suggest the arabic equivalent of a new face of culture [21:18] <Arktic_> وجه جديد للحضارة [21:19] <Mido> Actually it was Moushira who suggested those [21:19] <Ma7dy> mmmm [21:19] <Ma7dy> we can test those for now [21:19] <Arktic_> just a suggestion [21:19] <Arktic_> knowing both languages/cultures [21:19] <Mido> Arktic_: where are you from :) ? [21:19] <Arktic_> planet earth [21:19] <Ma7dy> me mars [21:19] <Arktic_> the levant [21:20] <Arktic_> sorry to interrupt [21:20] <Mido> no it's okay [21:20] <Mido> so, which one? [21:20] <Ma7dy> آفاق جديدة للتنوير [21:20] <Mido> I'd go with سبيل جديد للمعرفة [21:21] <kibble> heh [21:21] <Arktic_> yes, mido [21:21] <Arktic_> more relevant [21:21] * Mitchell (n=Greeves@wikimedia/Greeves) Quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.81 [Firefox 2.0.0.12/2008020121]"�) [21:21] * Mido thinks this too [21:21] <effeietsanders> ok, next date? :) [21:21] <effeietsanders> or are there other points? [21:22] <Ma7dy> tab سبل جديدة للمعرفة [21:22] <Ma7dy> or better سيل [21:22] <Mido> حد حيعرف يقرأ سبل ؟ [21:22] <Arktic_> singular [21:22] <Ma7dy> سيل [21:22] <Arktic_> سبيل [21:23] <kibble> effeietsanders: are you doing minutes? [21:23] <Mido> yes, I like this more [21:23] <effeietsanders> when do we need to meet anyway? next week or in two weeks? [21:23] <effeietsanders> kibble: no? [21:23] <Mido> next week [21:23] <Mido> I do [21:23] * kibble is just wondering who is [21:23] <effeietsanders> as i thought :P [21:23] <Mido> sunday, at 15:00 ? [21:23] <kibble> is that same as progcom? [21:23] <kibble> or is procom sat? [21:23] <Ma7dy> UTC [21:23] <effeietsanders> Mido: hmmm, that was also a proposed time for the program meeting :) [21:23] <Mido> they have it on sta [21:24] <kibble> k [21:24] <Mido> sat* [21:24] <Mido> ? [21:24] <kibble> sure [21:24] <effeietsanders> Mido: actually, we dont have a day set :P [21:24] <effeietsanders> for progcom :P [21:24] <effeietsanders> we forgot that tiny part :D [21:24] <kibble> yah we do, effeietsanders ;-) [21:24] <kibble> you just fogot that you were busy on that day :-P [21:24] <Mido> it's 1/2 for the prog [21:24] <Ma7dy> brb [21:25] <Mido> which is saturday [21:25] <Mido> so, it's sunday at 15:00UTC [21:25] <effeietsanders> hmmm, not really, the month is 3 now :P 1/2 meant 1 or 2 :P [21:25] <kibble> hehe [21:25] <effeietsanders> anyway, i'm fine with it :P [21:25] <effeietsanders> i'll read it afterwards :) [21:25] <Arktic_> mido, heard brilliant ideas from you. but security is a concern for many. if you can write something that's be great [21:26] <Arktic_> thanks all [21:26] <Arktic_> to reassure i mean [21:26] <kibble> I probably won't be able to make that actually [21:26] <kibble> at 15, I'll be at church :-( [21:27] <Arktic_> as you're doing most of the work, maybe they will wait for you [21:27] <Mido> so make ours on Saturday [21:27] <Arktic_> with markie of course [21:27] <Mido> and Sunday for the progComm ? [21:28] <kibble> Mido: maybe [21:28] <kibble> effeietsanders? [21:28] <effeietsanders> sure [21:28] <Mido> okay, and both at 15:00 [21:28] <Mido> done [21:28] <Mido> ======= end logging =======